Hp tuners ve tuning. Just installed a LC1 wideband as well.
Hp tuners ve tuning Tuner at PCMofnc. After watching youtube videos on tuning the VE table, I realize that the Primary VE table that is mentioned in the videos is not located in the same place as the video. But when I look at the minimum and maximum STFTs they range from 8 to -8. the adjustments i did from what ive learned so far was data from the LTFT table. Graphs. HP Tuners Dealer- VCM Suite (free 2hr training session with purchase), credits and new Version 2. 07-13-2024 #2. Getting ready to install a cam in my '08 vette, and would like to be able to tune the Virtual VE tables. He is an HPTuners member on this site. 5 KB, 1 views) 20240814 Log 002. If Block VE Table: This table is used to determine air mass per cylinder in case of MAF failure and also to provide a base airflow value to check for MAF failure. 8 engine and lumpy cam, and am having problems with the vve tuning. log. I found Cpigs guide but have seen posts saying it is out of date. 07-19-2017 #8. LSJ WB VE Tuning Ok, I have been VE tuning this week and have logged idle and cruise logs up to 4000RPM. No knock detected. 0 So after I am done tuning the VE I tune the MAF and set the Hight RPM Disable to 0 to disable the VE. The only MAF or VE cals are from the supplied Superchips hand held it came with. A brief summary of the procedure for modifying a virtual VE table can be found below. I'm kinda confused about one thing I'm seeing. I set up my histogram for LTFT and tried using 'Calculated Load', but it barely registered any data below the 50% mark MAF and VE Tuning - Together, At the same time First thing I did was load the stock program back into it, as from GM, and ended up with this: Then I disconnected the MAF sensor, loaded in an '03 Z06 VE table, loaded in my old high octane table into the low and high octane table, and a few other odds and ends (CAGS, Fans, Misfire 32000 crap, ect). So the million dollar question is. The time now is Its useful in Virtual Volumetric tables where the # in the table doesn't match your hp tuners #'s. See the HP Tuners Live Training sessionon Speed Density Tuning for details. I found Hjtrbo's spreadsheet Remote Tuning Available at gh [email protected] Mobile Tuning Available for North Georgia and WNC. Hi all Newb to Hptuners but have done standalone tuning before, so I don't have any based maps I can call on. Given what I've read about knock sensitivity and the DI 3. 5FDP. Everything says to reset the fuel trims the first time. For example, to do this the traditional way would require multiple VE tables for each camshaft, then some mehtod to mix the result and then another set of VE tables for each depending on the switched manifold state, Did some VE tuning recently and noticed my KLF went to 0 I assume due to defaulting on low timing table. Table. The pictures within this how I don't appreciate "tuners" talking to others in a derrogatory manner. 03-01-2024 #8. So I have been setting up my graphs today in order to start scanning after I install my wideband this weekend. The VE wasn't so bad, just a bunch of tables to deal with. In the menu bar, select Edit > VE Neural You will also need to set the PE table to your desired open loop lambda targets so you can correctly tune the VE table. The issue I think I'm having is my wideband is reading different than my LTFT when I log. HP Tuners. Forgot what his name was (Gary?), but it seems everyone's using his tutorial. BTLD_LS1. On hard decels where the manifold vacuum is high, its goes from saying closed loop active yes to no while my AFR's are dropping to around 10:1-12:1 even though the commanded lambda is 1. hpt Oh well, always nice to start something very new to be with a supercharged car :-0 Will continue soon in this thread. XX. -I have the wideband sensor HP Tuners Support (foff667) Join Date Jun 2004 Location Hailing from Parts Unknown Posts Tuning VE actually made my car more responsive with a smoother idle. Show Printable Version; 03-12-2007 #1. 10-19-2018 #6. Hello guys. Unless someone can prove to me that it does absolutely nothing, I want that dialed in. 7 ram, FBO, Cam, full exhaust. Improper use may cause vehicle damage and or unsafe driving conditions. I recently upgraded my Corvette by swapping out the stock LS1 with a new Texas-Speed 408. STFT's seem to be modulating to control AFR, and when I log the PID for Closed Loop Active it shows "YES" once the ECT gets up to temp. 2. Recently i did a 6. Howdy, are the VE tuning steps the same as for previous generations? Potential Tuner Join Date Jun 2007 Posts 6. I'm working on tuning the VE table in Speed Density mode on a 99 Camaro SS. When you are done tuning your VE Table, obviously the numbers are going to be different in the table, but over-all it should still be as smooth I have done a lot of reading and watching videos about MAF and VE tuning and they all seem to say get a wideband sensor, turn off DFCO, PE, DOD, disable MAF to tune VE and vise versa, etc. No issues whatsoever. As to trans, it behaved beautifully in SD mode. 40 gal/cyl and 2000 RPM range. 2010 Camaro LS3 Kenne Bell 2. Usually it means the fuel injector size and/or data is wrong. Hello everyone, my name is Benji and im looking for some help on tuning my truck. NOTE: If you have changed the fuel injec I'm interested in anyone's full process of tuning Gen 3 VE tables from start to finish. If you do that and get the VE where you want it and later log without those cells filtered out, won't it look like your tune is off? I know that is probably a dumb question since you could later log with those filtered anyway and So im getting hang of it but seems like im jumping a little back and forth i cannot get my rpms up enough to read out I think im going in correct direction. I've read several how-to's on tuning VE via STFT/LTFT, but I'm confused on the MAF tuning. When I get into the 3600rpm and 4200rpm region, Its showing extremely lean numbers. I'm planning to stay SD. xml Idle tuning Gen III GM Idle Airflow. 25 Scanner so I'm using 2. Barometric pressure, Intake air temp and probably a few other things are sent via LIN Bus to the ECM, the Through my searches it seems as though even the best tuners on here are sometimes hit and miss on describing exactly how important Cranking VE is. IDLE TUNING Foreword by Rinkrat456: This article is literally copied and pasted from Krambo's Silverado SS page. In the histogram, over a period of hour with all cells hitting at least 100 counts I have the average STFTs in the 0 to -3 range. I have been filtering IAT when tuning the VE table since it only takes about 5 seconds of closed throttle for the IAT temps to shoot up 20° which throws So today I've been logging STFT and using smooth throttle habits. . sgod1100. Specifically when it comes to using the VVE Tables I had a question about the scanner. From there I have read not to reset the fuel trims after updating the table and starting a second scan, basically not reseting the fuel trims again throughout the iterations of VE tuning. I have read conflicting opinions on reseting the fuel trims. When tuning my VE with my WB I've run it up to around 5000 RPM and things look safe, around 12. This is my first turbo car and could use some help with the VE table and timming. I have been changing my VE table based on my fuel logs. 3 with a maggie gt2-3 cam,dynatech headers, meth. Show Printable Version; 03-15-2018 #1. Using VCM Editor, read the vehicle's current tune. SiriusC1024. I haven't had time to break into and deal with the learning curve on the 2. VE tuning (redhardsupra) Results 1 to 2 of 2 Thread: VE tuning (redhardsupra) Thread Tools. Replies: 0 Views: 84; Rating0 / 5; Last Post By. 20240814 Log 001. View Profile View Forum Posts Ok, I found some dude's very comprehensive tuning guide on 60degreev6. I also posted this in VCM Editor, Im not sure where exactly to post but I feel like I will get a answer here quicker So Im in the process of trying to VE tune my GTO but Im hesitant to start because I'm readying how to in the Tuning School book and there are things missing for me. First off in VCM Editor it says to click on edit on the menu bar and select "Virtual Volumetric I recently bought HP tuners and have been playing with it and reading a lot. Then copy row by row that match from the primary into the secondary VE and then smooth the I've been working on an Excel product to help myself and others simplify the conversion process when tuning. xml Here is a general guide to tuning VE/MAF/Spark/Idle. hpl VE Tuning 04. VE tuning o ok so when tuning the ve table i should use LTFT and take the time to log with my histogram. CAUTION: Use caution when entering values into the real time tuning tables. 4 pulley, CAI, That sounds like real knock and a scary situation. Then a aftermarket 102TB Still the same thing high idle. HP Tuners Support (foff667) Join Date Jun 2004 Location Hailing from Parts Unknown Posts 28,530. 576" 113+2 I'm pretty new to tuning but I have the basics down decently however I figured If ask before I damage my car lol Whenever I fail the MAF to tune the VE Folks - I recently received my MPVI2 and have successfully downloaded the stock ECU configuration. should i be worried about it or should i leave it since the car likes it. The histogram used, Logging, The correction, and final result. ) Copy VE equations from my tune into the software to build a VE table 2. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Tuning Addict Join Date May 2012 Location Rogers, MN Posts VE tuning set up. Wideband and Narrowband methods. This is an L67 swap in a 95 Regal with headers, 3. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Tuner in Training Join Date Feb 2018 HP Tuners LLC; Top; All times are GMT -5. Can someone link me to a thread or a how to for VE Tuning using HPT? I can't seem to find it. I am running a aem wide band gauge and have it connected to my hp tuners with serial port on my laptop. and ended up with fuel trims in the 0 to -3 range. Howdy, are the VE tuning steps the same as for previous generations? Also HP Tuners LLC; Top; All times are GMT -5. These tables span 600-3800 RPM across the top, then call for a Load% down the side. 98prblms. How do I drive the thing to get STFT info if it won't idle? I am setting up to log my STFT + LTFTs to begin getting my VE table in shape. Been on twice. I know this is a pretty old thread, but I'm having the EXACT same issue on my 2014 CTS-V. I have went through and tweaked the existing tune the way I wanted it, but I would like to start fresh on the VE table. That said, I've yet to have a car that gains more than five horsepower after going on the dyno for tweaking. Originally Posted by zq8bob. 8 or 11. So to Tuner at PCMofnc. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Advanced Tuner Join Date HP Tuners LLC; Top; All times are GMT -5. Before you can even begin thinking about tuning the engine mechanical and external features need to be verified and setup properly. Engine ran very lean ,hard to keep running Added another 20% to VE and still lean. Read-knowledge is powerwe've got tons of stickies with important info & provide you with a help file that answers almost 90% of the questions that arise but only YOU can take the time to HP Tuners Owner. I know I should tune for maf first by calculating errors with my wide band AFr vs commanded AFR with my PE tables set to a constant (12. The truck has a 5. Show Printable Version; 07-04-2024 #1. Pavetim Quick Navigation GM V8 Tuning - Engine, Gas (Gen 5) Top. 0 I always apply the sd enhanced custom OS since they are free now and it gets rid of the secondary VE table (makes tuning easier ) 05-19-2016 #4. I've got the 6L90 performing better and want to start working on the motor tune. Advanced Tuner Join Date Apr 2004 Location Bakersfield, CA Posts 592. Also can somebody share a link on the right process of tuning your your VE table with disabling the MAF. 0 with fantastic results. hpl race truck ready to start VE table adjustments base idle. This is how I set up an initial VE table in my custom OS on my Z06. I'm not super proficient with tuning yet but I have been reading through the tuning school books to try and get it dialed in. 2. Layout. 3) and no matter what changes I made it would always seam to fight to stay right there. 7L. Follow these steps to train a vehicle using Neural Network Trainer: 1. " Tuner in Training Join Date Apr 2018 Posts 20. 08-15-2004 #11. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message How low can a VE table be set? I have 5. The only upgrade I have is a Volant CAI. I just installed the headers yesterday so now i want to bring the tune back in line. 7 :doh: Maybe this can help someone else. png If you're 100% about fuel pressure stability I'd send those Deatchwerks injectors back for a complete refund. VE table comments The very high VE table values over 100 and especially at 30 and 40kpa say that something is wrong with a basic setup, if the maf is actually failed. I've seen that happen before. com Email tuning!!!, Mail order, Dyno tuning, Performance Parts, Electric Fan Kits, 4l80e swap harnesses, 6l80 -> 4l80e conversion harnesses, Installs Hello, I've recently started learning how to tune and was able to start adjusting my Primary VE table yesterday after getting my AEM 4110 wideband installed on my 1994 firebird with a gen 2 LT1 and a torqhead 24x kit. so I *think* adjusting the MAF by that much might take away the benefits of subtle VE tuning. hpl (973. I have tried to increase the vve table by just straight out increasing the vve table in that I was under the impression that the VE correction was added to dynamic airflow calculations to get steady state dyn air numbers to match up with the MAF, since the MAF is quite accurate at steady state. I have been trying to get my MAF and VE tables dialed in for the last month but keep getting it wrong somehow. If you have a mostly stock 392, and decide to disable your VVT and ANN, I've attached a text file of data for a better set of VE tables you can apply in your tune. xml Gen III GM V8-Idle Airflow. hpl (607. Not once did he or others mention that tuning your primary you also need to tune your secondary ve table cause your running on that. I just acquired a 2003 Silverado that had a 2000 Yukon 5. tana99ss. 0. rechecked fuel pressure Just over 58psi. 602/. Before I ever knew about HP Tuners, I already had a toolbox of certain things that I got used to. Am I headed in the right direction? It also seems there is some KR in the . Just select all in the file and copy, then paste into both of your VE tables under the "Speed Density. The car starts and cruises great, I just started tunning the VE table and havent got very far. ramdart74. 18 months later I find this out. HP Tuners Owner. At the Dodge And GM Tuning Suppport Diablosport CMR | HP Tuners. Tuner Tools provides automotive and tuning professionals with industry-exclusive and highly useful services that supplement the already powerful VCM Suite and series of OBDII interfaces. 12-02-2019 #4. Hello, I have been doing some VE tuning with my wideband and my VCM scanner histo is reading a lot of -3 to 3, but my editor VE 3d chart has a major valley. Stuffs. After I finish the VE and MAF tuning I would like to adjust this table back to a real table, does anyone have any experience doing this? Thanks! 04-26-2012 #5. A quick summary: while we do have maf's, the ve table is referenced during open loop. 3 silverado and have done the basic things like turning off COT and Torque management. or do it like u said. I've also got the scanner software running and have captured a few test files. The VE that nitrousd383 posted looks quite similar to Do you need to filter transients for NN/VE tables? Started by Pavetim, 1 Day Ago. The biggest focus with a cammed LS is the idle. 614"/. 1. Boost VE Tuning Glitch as they will always do and should basically be ignored when tuning the VE table. My question - if the idea is to tune all cells in the table to 14. 3 swapped in it. Problem is, I can't get a LTFT or STFT hisotgram up and running and, I'm not sure how to go about tuning the VE tables with this truck. I am aware of the single row PE EQ ratio map (VERY generic). it actually cuts the ve table resolution in half. I am fairly new so maybe I am missing something in the tune. The short answer is that Tuning the (virtual) VE is an absolute requirement on these cars, HP Tuners LLC; Top; All times are GMT -5. Pretty much all of the professional tuners on here are going to set up a GM ECM to run in closed loop for every day driving. My question is, if my VE is tuned accurately, say to Current VE table/tune and latest log attached. narrow band o2s disabled for tuning purposes. +20 to +25. I am using the guide, have my MAF, PE and LTFT's disabled, etc. I have a 2000 5. In this episode I go over how to use the Real Time Tuning (RTT) feature of HP Tuners to tune your VE Table on the fly without having to stop and flash the ch Ok I have a few hopefully simple questions but I cannot find good answers to by searching the forums. I still have a few questions that I couldn't find answers to anywhere, and I would really appreciate it if anyone can help since I will be working with a Failed MAF and other fuel adders, added 15% to VE Primary ,Reset Ltfts . 25. I always had to multiply by %-half which took too long and even then it would end up overshooting. Appreciate it How does DFCO and Commanded AFR/EQ play into Speed Density Open Loop VE tuning ? (LT1/TPI) that would also have HP Tuner Gen III Injector Data. xml Transient Fuel Tuning Wideband. Working with a L83 truck and the VVE table uses Map/Baro vs RPM, so I went in and setup a math function to do this it is attached as Map_Baro, but I have noticed that since it is you sould be tuning ve to stoich not the desired pe value. As soon as I get above 115 kpa it goes way rich, so ive slowly been leaning out the ve table. Not good for fine tuning. You're including decel transients in the corrections probably. Hey guys, so I just started tuning the VE table on my 408. Do I do the tuning the same way by logging the STFT historgram when turning the MAF or is there something else that I log when Anyone have a recommendation to setup a VE Table for the 2 Bar OS for E38 ECM? When you apply this patch the new VE Tables are filled with zeros. 4 intake swap, retaining the 6. 4 injectors. 7-16. ) Force MAF off in the tune 3. 6L as it relates to fueling, indicating rich conditions favor random spontaneous spark knock, you may want to choose a trouble spot and experiment with leaning it out some to see if that's the direction you need to move in. I matched the tables for tuning, but afterwards KLF will take awhile to get back to 1. VE tuning 6. I have always had a difficult time getting the GMVE table in the E40 nailed down. AKJay1970. Tuner Join Date Feb 2005 Location Peoria, AZ Posts 128. So you'd apply the changes to the primary table. Looking for a file or VE table that would I could use as a base map for a turbo ls2 (l98). Ran stock TB and maf. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Tuner Join Date Sep 2020 Posts HP Tuners LLC; Top; All times are GMT The calculated torque in HP Tuners isn't reliable. I'm currently trying to tune the VE table but some weird things are happening. Doug (EC_Tune) gave me the idea of logging VE airflow and MAF airflow and plotting the difference against the VE table. View Profile View Forum Posts Private HP Tuners LLC; Top; All times are GMT -5. the cells that were running rich (negative green cells) i added the value in the table. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Tuner Join Hello, I have a 2008 ls3 C6 m6, I am trying to make a base tune for my 230/234 114+2 cam I'm putting in. I'm new to this forum and tuning, but I have been using the HpTuners for a long time (mainly the scanner though). All basic tuning principles are the same as any other ECM Email HP Tuners support and request access to the beta version of HP Tuners. do you have pe disabled? I've attacted a screet shot of the COT tab. 999 and max at 1. As to procedure, I fixed the VE's & then the MAF. At this point, the guy who tuned the car before has altered the VE table. Channels. I take ABSOLUTELY ZERO CREDIT for the length of material you're about to read, however I have made a few comments in-text that you can see which I will highlight in green. hst (histogram files) go in your: My primary VE table has the same number of cells as the factory MAP sensor VE table, just spaced out to get to 320 kpa. You can do exactly what you are asking about, z06Hunter. OL VE Tuning - Lean Funny thing is that I was OL VE tuning a few weeks ago with a bad fuel pump and incorrect injector data, but the car ran fine. Site Areas; Settings; Private Messages; Subscriptions; Who's Online; HP Tuners LLC; Top; Tuning the VE is done through tuning the Virtual Volumetric Efficiency table under Edit tab. When the read is complete, the current tune will open in VCM Editor. 8 Supercharger BTR stage 3 PDS Torque Cam Frankenstein M311 heads 9:1 forged rotating assembly Speed Engineering Headers That operating system only uses the secondary VE table while tuning in speed density. I clipped my VE correction min at . 001 so that the correction numbers wouldnt skew my VE tuning in speed-density. Could someone help explain I made these up for someone on the forum, and then realized he has a 5. Keep that in mind. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Advanced Tuner HP Tuners LLC; Top; All times are GMT -5. Im looking for an updated guide to VE tuning without a wideband since my current budget as a college student is very limited. When I put both tables into my Main tune and run in Dynamic I notice that at Idle I'm consistently staying 7-11 on the lean side (If I remember right WB was bouncing around 15. Anything else I should know? This is the second time I'm doing this but I wanna get it spot on this time. That'll get it running nicely until you have time to get it to your tuner. There were some issues new owner wanted to be fixed with the car. It is also used to provide transient condition correction to the VCM main air mass SD tune the car up until 3500 with very light driving, then wherever you want your PE EQ set to, do so, and find where you start really picking up boost even at part throttle. 7 KB, 22 views) 22-07-17 12-16-20. Or does no one follow me here? Last edited by BBA; 04-22 Free HP Tuners Beginners Tuning Guide LS1 Tuning Guide Michigan Snowmobiler Some pro tuners on here gave advice in 2015-2016 about things that actually don't hold true. The TPS Multiplier table can be useful for tuning large camshafts. XX ve in steady state with the pe table set to the correct value to what your goal is 12. I have made several adjustments to my VE and I still get inconsistent feedback on my WB. 1/4 mile or so away I tip into throttle and car falls on its face and hits reduced engine power mode. I was told that needs to be done first. The only place VE values shall generally approach 100 is near 100KPA. In the file there is an injector flow rate conversion, input the injectors ratings and your fuel rail pressure and it gives you the inputs for HP Tuners. Thanks in advance mods: TFS 215s 59cc VRX4 cam Lt headers w/3" collector to flowmaster merge pipe 3" in 3. 3 and a 2009 6. Keep boost low while you fix stuff. 598 112+4 LS3 heads 80lbs injectors 76mm turbo chevy truck idle 1. Show Printable Version; 02-25-2020 #21. But for right now, I am only interested in part throttle cruise tuning and light acceleration. I could be wrong?? Yes there has been alot of mods. 06-15-2021 #3. My understanding of the PE is that it enrichens the VE by a multiplier after a certain RPM. Besides that, tuning VE or MAF for WOT while using a correction in the wideband to offset for PE seems absurdly stupid to me when it can be avoided in the first place. I have a 2008 Chev with a new 4. This isn't necessary anymore because you can log those GMVE values in real time with HP Tuners. 9 Whipple and headers installed, otherwise stock LS3. If you've successfully used revision 1 there is no change to the formulas it spits out. I would like to take it back to stock and modify it myself from there. after you get 14. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Tuner Join Date Dec 2013 I'm tuning the VE table right now with my short fuel trims, question is: Right now I'm logging the average STFTs and paste special adding them to the VE table. HP Tuners LLC; Top; Where do I start with tuning the VE table? Attached Files. The VE table already has numbers over 85 in these cells. Any pointers, direction, or links would be great. That all makes sense and I will definitely do for WOT tuning. What kind of car do you have and what mods do you have? Tuning the VE table in HPtuners. New to the game. Just installed a LC1 wideband as well. went through the log and did a few tweaks to the ve table. I'm doing the VE tuning right now and have LTFT disabled since everything is within +9 -5. and ya ill be getting a wideband. Since I have my MAF dialed in pretty good and I run with the 2010 Camaro LS3 Kenne Bell 2. 5" out fast 103 intake w 92 mm tb 408 stroker 97 C5 Working on VE table with maf fail set to 0 Made first round of changes, reset fuel trims and setoff to drive again. 7 KB, 12 views) 07-27-2022 #2. My first attempt at tuning the VE went well and fixed some bogging (Lean issues) I had. Hello, I've recently started learning how to tune and was able to start adjusting my Primary VE table yesterday after getting my AEM 4110 wideband installed on my 1994 firebird with a gen 2 LT1 and a torqhead 24x kit. I adjust the Fuel Tims & VE table richer and it gets leaner? I have been reading the threads on VE Tuning to educate myself but can't seems to find any on my I'm trying to get VE table close so I can move on to MAF tuning. Hey guys, I'm a total noob with HP tuners and I needed some help (I was actually told by HP tuners to post here). I am very new to this stuff. com Email tuning!!!, Mail order, Dyno tuning, Performance Parts, Electric Fan Kits, 4l80e swap harnesses, 6l80 -> 4l80e conversion harnesses, Installs. Also included is an auto VE map generator, you just input your LTFT, STFT Histograms, and Many do this because the secondary VE table has half the resolution of the primary table. I have been chasing KR and I think some of it is now false knock, but I'm not 100% positive. If I am in SD or MAF my WB registers 14. There's enough to keep you busy in the 4 VE tables as it is. I'm having trouble with tuning the VE table, I believe I have something wrong with my histograms if somebody could check them out. The LTFT values are your indicator of how much error is in your Volumetric Efficiency table. HP Tuners Support (foff667) Join Date Jun 2004 Location Hailing from Are there any considerations to setting up the VE and MAF with supercharger in the mix? I have a 2005 Truck with a Magnuson Radix supercharger. 06-24-2012 #2. speed density setup 325ci to 408 102mm throttle body holley hi ram 222/231 . ie what to disconnect (MAF), what to scan and how to modify the table correctly. I have read the stickies but never performed this procedure in any form. I have a supercharger with water to air intercooling fitted to otherwise stock internals. no intake leaks or exhaust leaks Have my LM1 hooked up. I read a couple of tuning books, and lately I have been reading a lot of threads in this forum. Does anyone have a clever way to describe what the Cranking VE table does for us, how long it's used during starts and how important it is to have this table dialed in? And how would one tune this table? If the VE is tuned right you can have it enter PE at 90 kpa and BE at 105 kpa with no real issues. 24's which I cant imagine would be a problem. 8 Supercharger BTR stage 3 PDS Torque Cam Frankenstein M311 heads 9:1 forged rotating assembly HP Tuners Dealer- VCM Suite (free 2hr training session with purchase), credits and new Version 2. Join Date Mar 2003 Posts 4,860. My issue is, is whats the best way to edit the data that i cant reach like 6000rpms low VE Tuning 05. Is there a better method or is it all just what the tuner prefers to do? Free HP Tuners Beginners Tuning Guide LS1 Tuning Guide Michigan Snowmobiler fuel trim tuning makes rough VE's and takes forever at low airflow where the trims are slow to update. saw which cells were running lean (positive red number cells) and decreased the value in the ve table. Having an issue with my vehicle not staying in closed loop during VE street tuning. HP Tuners LLC; Top; Do a search on here and ls1tech under the pcm section. 438vette. I've tuned every kind of 'old' engine and these rules apply to all engines in the world made from say 1970 to 2010. While VE Tuning my truck the other night, I was logging near perfect AFR in VE as well as in MAF. Ive leaned out the ve table alot and its still rich so im thinking im not running enough timming. Looks like I got my moneys worth out of the dyno tune I paid for:banghead: Any way, it usually starts up and then if you give it any throttle, it just passes idle and dies. Added 40% still lean. You have to apply the changes to the secondary VE, copy each row into the primary table that match, then interpolate and smooth the primary table once done. THE CHAD. But I've been at this stuff for a long time. I seem to have two main VE tables Lo altd and Hi altd, current values in both the tables 1. Tuner by night CPX Tuning 2005 Corvette, M6 ECS 1500 Supercharger AlkyControl Meth, Monster LT1-S Twin, hence I have spent very little time tuning the VE as I believe it is scripted incorrectly Ok - So I am in the middle / towards the end of my VE table tuning (them will move on to MAF, then PE). Attached Files. I am assuming that the newer version of the VCM Editor has either named it differently or I am blind or something. BrainiakZ. Caused by VE table and or lean fueling? This is not the car in the signature, it is an 02 Camaro 5. cfg or . VE tuning. It has native virtual VE tuning which makes things much easier. However, If it had different cams, blower, turbo, long tubes, etc then I would have spent time in O/L tuning. It's also referenced in closed loop at lower rpm and on throttle transients b/c the maf is slow to react to the sudden change in airflow. ) Force open loop 4. I just wanted to make this post and hopefully have someone check and see if I'm going in the right direction with my tuning since I'm new to this. Went back redid VE table reset fuel trims and car drives fine with lower numbers in the table. Hi all, I recently purchased HP tuners and am starting to tune my truck. If fuel pressure is stable then it's the injector data. How do tuners account for this? Do they just keep the tables equal for a bit? Or is there a trick so KLF does not go to 0 when failing the MAF? GM V8 Tuning - Engine, Gas (Gen 4) VE Commodore Tune; Results 1 to 3 of 3 Thread: VE Commodore Tune. All you need to do is use the proper math parameter(s) and filters to transform the data into the classic '% error' For starters I have been a member of HP Tuners for many years and gained a tremendous amount of tuning knowledge form all you seasoned tuners, for this I thank you all! I tune using lambda with my wideband. 2, with the PE disabled. Get some Gen IV injectors. I have a couple questions though. Going back to 1 bar would get me what? Can you elaborate on why going back to 1 bar would solve my VE tuning issues? I don't see any benefit, besides only having half of a VE table. Start off by coping and pasting the I have started with VE tuning the car. I seem to be getting good results. Hi guys, I just picked up HPT for my new Sierra 2500HD. As I work the tune the histogram is getting numbers closer to 0, right now after 3 or 4 iterations they are 0 +/-10% but many of the values The newly introduced Neural Network Trainer by HP Tuners brings industry-exclusive control over your vehicle’s neural networks. It has been running very rich of course, so i tried to dial in the injectors and still couldn't get it to run right, was close, but just felt flat. If I'm adjusting VE for target AFR, along with PE, HP Tuners Dealer- VCM Suite (free 2hr training session with purchase), credits and new Version 2. DSX Tuning - Authorized HP Tuners Dealer Tuner in Training Join Date Jun 2011 Posts 44. The problem i am having is when i re enable short term fuel trims and drive down the road then all of a sudden i am getting all these lean cells car starts to How do you tune VE tables? All i see is people tuning MAF tables and making the high rpm disable around idle. Re: VE tuning with HPT Wideband and Narrowband how VE tuning as suggested in this thread wouldn't work? Once I go boosted I'm basically in open loop based upon the scans I see. hpt I adjusted idle airflow minimum, idle spark advance, throttle cracker, throttle follower, idle stability controls and possibly a There is a trick to VE tuning these. Hi, I have just started tuning the neural network tuning system on the 2020 silverado 6. ktoonsez, I was editing the table dimensions file and added a table for the LS7 which goes up to 7200rpm, and follows the custom axes that I made in my operating system (I have the beta 2. ) I am not a tuning guru and have not read specific instructions for VVE but for the last few days I have been using it on a 2007 5. At the moment I am focusing on the low RPM Dbl/Sgl tables. When the thing is in SD mode, it won't even run. Have gotten the startup sorted out and it idles ok in closed loop but runs rough in open loop and the ltft #s are +15 below 1400 rpm, above that speed all seems good. Just made it easier for guys who hate long math parameters to get up and running. Don't know HP tuners enough to get that idle down. hpt (231. 5 for me), and forcing the car to run in open loop, while adjusting the open loop gas (gear At first glance tuning can be a bit overwhelming but by taking these steps it can help ease that transition a bit so your not struggling or at least have a backup plan if you do. HP Tuners Support (foff667) Join Date Jun 2004 Location Hailing from Parts Unknown Posts 28,387. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Tuner Join Date Mar 2022 Location Indiana Posts 3,313. You'll find a lot of good info. You may want to still use the old Scanner if that's what you're used to. Backstory: -I am using an AEM 0300 wideband which is configured to log data through the serial port into my laptop usb(NOT using the analog pro link cable) it works great and logs AFRs in the program nicely. If a complete file is available the plan is to run a 3 bar GM map sensor & 1000cc bosch injectors. But now after further tuning the VE no matter what I do it is showing lean on my STFT's and VE graph and getting worse. Go read the sticky posts in the Gen3 forum. Then I seen where you just set the PE to what you want and adjust the VE or MAF for the fine tuning. I've been reading about the process for VE tuning and it seems pretty straightforward, as long as the proper parameters are set correctly. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Tuner in Training Join Date Jul 2008 Im working on tuning my MAF and VE tables covered in the MAF & VE GUIDE book from the tuning school. Example vehicle: 2015 Chevy Colorado 3. When I do VE tuning I know to try not to go into PE mode. The trouble is I don't think the car is staying in closed loop. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Tuner in Training Join Date Aug 2017 Posts HP Tuners LLC; Top; All times are GMT Tuner at PCMofnc. Disabled DFCO and set PP up to 6000rpm. Advanced Tuner Join Date Dec 2011 Location Clovis, CA Posts 374. The PCM is a 99 Monte Carlo L36 PCM. This why when the MAF/VE are working together again, the table matches what the secondary VE has. At 4000 rpm and up the maf is the source of airflow calculation. I already have a fast lsxrt 102 intake. xml MAF %ERR NB. VE/MAF Tuning Dynamic Fuel Tuning Wideband. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Tuning Addict Join Date May HP Tuners LLC; Top; I have seen that you get the VE and MAF tuned and then adjust the PE to what (dial in) for WOT. MAF Tuning/VE Tuning NOTE: Do not open the . Hello I've been following Goat rope Garage vid on tuning VE Table. Not a good idea to let it see 15+ psi of boost when you haven't even tuned it with 5 psi of boost yet. Jump to page: Results 21 to 27 of 27 Thread: Ve tuning. My process is to pull 4 or so degrees of timing from my low octane tables and copy this into my high octane table, add a percentage of fuel across the ve I'm working on my Histograms for VE tuning using the Virtual VE tool in 2. Tuner in Training Join Date Dec 2015 Posts 31. I started tweeking the VE tables in hopes of getting it running better. 0 Turbo 2006 C6 w/iron block LY6 BTR Stage 2 turbo cam 1050x ID injectors CX racing hot/cold side 88mm On3 turbo 2 bar Map on 2bar OS Open loop SD tuning In the process of dialing in my VE tables and get timing correct before jumping in and installing my flex fuel sensor. As much information anyone If you are close to stock, don't bother with VE tuning. The mods I did were 1 5/8 short headers, LS6 Dorman Rep intake, 36lb Bosch injectors and a BTR stage 2 N/A for cam for LS1/LS2. Edit: I forgot to VE Tuning I'm having an annoying issue turning my ve table. HP Tuners LLC; Top; All times are GMT -5. Vehicle is a 2010 Toyota Sequoia Platinum Mods: TRD Supercharger Custom dual 2. HP Tuners LLC; Top; Ve tuning; Page 2 of 2 First 1 2. 08-26-2022 #15. If you try tuning the VE while the MAF is still affecting fueling (or vice versa), you will get nowhere, or worse than nowhere. I want to VE tune. Set your PE to start kicking on there. So are there benefits of tuning In closed loop versus the way I’ve been tuning so far? You need to decide how you are going to run it when you get done, and use that method to tune. Can someone confirm if my basic understanding of the tuning process is correct using Bluecat's VE program? 1. hpl chevy truck idle 2. Thanks in advance. If im street tuning do i need to follow the steps, by leaving the vehicle in second gear and do the drive cycle the have in the Getting ready to do some VE tuning on my truck, but for the life of me, I cannot figure out how to deal with the multiple VE tables and the cam advance. Tuner by night CPX Tuning 2005 Corvette, M6 ECS 1500 Supercharger AlkyControl Meth, Monster LT1-S Twin, I've found it to be very tricky to get the edges to line up sometimes. hpt. 0 turtorial available Ve tuning question I have a 6. Ve tuning not working? Results 1 to 8 of 8 Thread: Ve tuning not working? Thread Tools. Thread Tools. The wideband is accurate here. The HP Tuners environment is best in class and between it and their scanner, is the reason they are the best software out there hands down. png ve. If you don't mind, I will guide you to some basics for tuning any engine. 04-17-2022 #3. You'll need to The VE multiplier tables can be used to change (multiply) the VE value based on Charge Temperature (Manifold Air Temperature) and TPS/RPM. Issues so far: The 2020 silverado has a LIN BUS enabled MAF sensor. I have read alot of the tuning forums on ve tuning but havent found alot on tuning forced induction. hst files with anything but the scanner. 4 KB, 0 views) Some of the tuning posts I've read say to filter out certain fuel trim cells (like 20, 21, 22) when your logging LTFT/STFT so they won't skew the process. VE calc MAF tune no LTFT PE 90 tps. I would think that my goals would still be the same as NA. I've got my VE very close and assume the PE is next. This new tool allows for editing of your vehicle VE tables and simplifies the complex process of neural network training. Show Printable Version; 03-11-2020 #1. 4, headers, high flow cats, edelbrock supercharger, forged pistons and cam. Real time tuning is designed for quick tuning under controlled conditions like an engine or chassis dynamometer. 8 then when you enter pe you will be at your goal if ve is tuned to 14. 03-29-2016 #2. xml Gen III GM Idle Airflow. 6L V6 Automatic Transmission, found from HP Tuners Tune Repository. JTC Performance - Authorized HP Tuners Reseller Remote performance tuning. In tuning my VE table I started out seeing numbers from my log file histogram around 30, 40, 50% for my STFTs (LTFTs I turned off). I have a 2004 Trailblazer with a P10 PCM, and am 'blessed' with having 5 different VE tables to tune. Is there anyone out there that can tell me why my transmission (4L60) is now If you feel you have the tune set up correctly, with the MAF turned off, and all the other things turned off, then something is wrong with your W/B O2, or the settings for your W/B O2 within Hp Tuners. hpl (1,011. xml VE %ERR STFT NB. View Profile View Forum Posts Senior Tuner Join Date Jul 2012 Location Florida Posts 1,588. I was thinking of copying the VVE Table and then somehow extrapolating that into the new VE table as part of the 2 Bar OS, although this is not a straight copy and paste as the axis's are transposed and the Trouble with VE tuning 2010 CTSV HP Tuners. jason72. HP Tuners LLC; Top; VE tuning filters; Results 1 to 8 of 8 Thread: VE tuning filters. Join Date Sep 2002 Location Chicago, IL Posts 6,404. As soon as I enable the MAF, STFT, and LTFT my WB shows lean but my scanner is showing my fuel trims are rich. According to my research the VE table is located under Engine -> Airflow -> General. The benefits in tuning this table will be the guys that a significant This shouldn't be happening. im still 1 bar map, can i get a good Gpec2a ve tuning; Results 1 to 3 of 3 Thread: Gpec2a ve tuning. evotune5. the new one isn't 100% yet. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Advanced Tuner Join Date Feb 2018 Posts 943. I have another 24x conversion SBC Tuned Port that will need injectors. I logged and filled the table pretty much the same as VE tuning a GEN 3. These services include our Neural Network Obviously as I didn't do the tuning and didn't reach the original tuner, I had to start from the scratch. 5bar system). FstdodgeKY. Very worth it! Is this guide a good guide to use to tune the VE table of a 05 GTO LS2 E40 ECM? Speed Density tuning E40 PCM's write up I thought you needed a matrix to figure out the coeff's or is that only for the E38's - E67's? VE tuning; Results 1 to 3 of 3 Thread: VE tuning. My thought is I want to tune the VE as best I can as a failsafe, but plan on MAF tune only. 01 stock read. 2015+ Dodge Big Cam Tuning As I understand it, and I understand very little about ANN, the main difference from normal VE tuning is ANN has different VE tables for different cam positions. Cam specs are 227/234 . 5" Exhaust 1) How to properly tune fuel maps without a VE table. (configuration files) go in your: C:\Program Files\HP Tuners\VCMSuite2 Directory The . 10-27-2023 #3. So I LS1 swapped my BMW. com Email tuning!!!, Mail order, Dyno tuning, Performance Parts, Electric Fan Kits, 4l80e swap harnesses, 6l80 -> 4l80e conversion harnesses, HP Tuners LLC; Top; I still see a lot of people using the old method of disabling the MAF to calibrate their VVE on 4th generation LS stuff, that generally being E38 controllers and up. I satart tuning my VE and im wondering how many cells hits should i insert for the part throttle tuning? I'm asking becasue i insert 50 cells hits and did't hit to many, then i insert 5 cells hits and got more hits. 7, err- What happens with cold start idle (too lean)? What happens when trying to tune on the upper end of the MAP range (high RPM Hi all I have been tuning my ve table i have got my ve table reasonably rich by 5 to 10 % across the bord. HI, I am trying for first time to calibrate the VE table on a 2016 SS Sedan that recently had a 2. When it goes lean the narrowbands show the same. then did some more datalogging. nchtso djstc ngrkbz dtldt bjftwy szbujf eef fqhbn knfn wjyx