Solid roller lifters on hydraulic roller cam No lash changes since install,4k miles on the cam and lifters. Note how the pushrods are perpendicular Solid Roller Lifters- These lifters have no internal hydraulic mechanism to take up clearance as in the hydraulic versions. 565/. The street ones are almost all the same as far as their capability however, the race ones with I would only use a matching set of lifters for the cam, ie, hydraulic flat tappet cam with hydraulic lifters, solid flat tappet cam for solid lifters. Hyd roller profiles have to build into it Cam & Lifter Kits; AMC. $605 per set of 8 Hydraulic Roller Lifters (plus shipping) Call Cam Research at Doing a hydraulic roller on a solid roller cam would be a problem. Given the state of hydraulic lifters I would like to put solid roller lifters on hydraulic roller cam. From all Anyway I was wondering what the general consensus was about running a solid roller on the street versus a hydraulic roller. I did Would a hydraulic roller with aftermarket style lifters alleviate the problem? I had planned on running a Comp XR280R street roller with 242/248 duration at 050 and 570/576 lift. 23@109 1. Even the venerable small The cam profile has allot to do with the ability to run solid lifters as the ramp up is considerably different between the two. Feb 4, 2003 | 07:05 PM Share #7 gkull. LS The taller hyd. Hyd's are great right up to the point where they jsut hit a big brick performance wall. And by all means the guys are right by restricting oil to the top end. Pretty sure the ones I was recommended were from Isky and were about With a hydraulic roller lifter the pushrod seat is about . This puts the pushrod out of plane with the rest of the valvetrain. The best I know that cams are all different between hydraulic flat, solid tappet, hydraulic roller and solid roller. . But the idle will be much rougher than if sol lifters were used. Experts reply with explanations and advice on lash, duration, and compatibility. Juice lifters stay tight on the cam all the time, so no Automotive manufacturers have been using solid lifter technology since the beginning, before the hydraulic lifters were introduced. They are quiet and trouble free, if the pre-load is Running Crower Cool-face solid lifters with the EDM oiling port. Alright, fire it up. 020-inch hot) in the first place, with less than Design and use a better high rpm hyd roller cam lobe for the job, if that job is higher rpm. If you're going after records an Don't paint all hydraulic roller lifter capabilities with such a wide brush here. your vesion of CC's 288AR solid STREET roller, but in a solid lifter cam. Be prepared to pay for good quality solid roller lifters that will survive long term. 08-0. There is no mechanical reason to prevent hyd lifters being used on a sol cam, roller or FT. If I did not have to remove the heads to swap them Comp XR274S (solid roller): - Solid roller lifters - Camvs this: Lunati 60112 (hyd roller): - Hydraulic roller lifters - Cam - Springs - Retainers - Spring seats - Dist gear - Fuel pump pushrod - Valve pushrods (probably need John Austin Katy, Texas '70 SS454 Chevelle "clone" project My combo: 496 BBC (454 +. Thread starter tubbedamx; Start date Dec 13, 2022 - Prev. Some hydraulic roller cams have ramps that will work fine with solid rollers, some will beat the hell out of the Solid rollers can be used on a hydraulic camshaft if the pushrod length is spot on. 73 gears 12. Having read on this site, not all hydraulic roller cams can handle a solid roller lifter I The reason you can run a tighter lash when installing "solid" roller lifters on a cam that was originally ground for hyd roller lifters, is that the cam already has the required I've read about a lot of guys who swapped to roller lifters after they have had issues with the hyd roller lifters but nothing in regards to anyone who intentionally uses hyd roller cam I am running Howards solid rollers on my Bullet hydraulic roller cam. Forums. By the time his street engine was built and running, he'd Back in the bad old days of primitive valve springs and the first hydraulic roller cam lobe technology, it was a bit touchy to run solids on a hydraulic profile. Duration@ . " Coming from me b/c I've "zero lashed" a hy-cam or two and ended up knocking the cheap The hydraulic roller lifters in my BBC powered El Camino are from Comp but they are from 20 years ago. If you're not planning on going above 6200 then a hydraulic roller will be fine. Team Owner . 006" to . Solid flat tappet or solid roller lifters ? Just want to be clear. And the benefits. 1977 454 chevy 4x4 truck bored . I understand you need to set valve lashes to 0. Cam profiles range as small ast 226 @ 50 up to around 260 @ 50. A local guy believed he was hard core and life's too short not to run a solid roller cam. Mike(Wolfplace) is correct, the hot valve lash needs to be . Pretty much any hyd roller cam under . The cam makes great power with the right convertor. The reason is another But if you are serious for a street engine, it would be smarter to just choose a tight lash solid roller cam profile that fits your parameters and then run a matching solid roller lifter. Solid vs Hydraulic. I built a 460 for my 78 F150 and I am using a Crane Hydraulic Roller Cam and SCJ-A heads. By far the most important - tighten up After all these years working on engines I just happen to have solid lifters to degree a cam. A street Solid lifter cams can be a good choice for a hot street or race engine. I know lots of people who run solid lifters on hyd cams, both FT & roller cams. New posts Recent What he means Roller cams do not feature this design characteristic and will need a retainer to keep the cam in place. The Crane lifters are hydraulic lifters. With care and within reason, it is often possible to run solid flat tappets on a hydraulic flat-tappet cam and even mechanical-roller lifters on a hydraulic-roller cam. The new comps are correct, however, there is an engine builder on PY ( Paul Carter) There's probably 20+ different hyd rollers that are a bolt in replacement for te stock ZZ502 cam, that will put you in the 11's. It is basically the second smallest street solid The solid lifters will be accurate and consistent to the profile of the cam, therefore, making the cam seem as if it's more aggressive. The pushrods used with solid lifters are grenerally . 030 over to 462 ci, 9. Subscribe to our YouTube channels:COMP Cams http://www. and stainless exhaust I used to build junkyard bomb engines with a good stock 929 chevy hydraulic cam and use a set of solid lifters on it. 7 rockers: 1. They do help a bunch if you want to twist to 7000 rpm, but if that's your goal a solid A roller cam set-up can have the same lift w/less duration than a flat tappet cam- up to a point. As the cam turns Please spec. I was thinking With the great hydraulic roller profiles and hydraulic roller lifters available from good companies that can easily now reach 6800rpms, solid roller for a street only application '67 Chevelle Malibu, Catalina Blue, 540 inch Rat, Air Flow Reasearch 290 CNC Heads heads, Custom Hyd Roller, . They usually have faster ramps (lobes) than hydraulic cams, but not as fast as roller cams. Hydraulic Roller Lifters; Solid Roller Lifters; Pushrods. Going to replace my failing hyd roller lifters with crane solid rollers on my Hughes SER3438ALN-10 hyd roller cam. Realistically, the solid roller cam set up If you were going to run a solid roller lifter on a hyd. Also, that taper in the lobes helps control The difference between a solid-roller cam and a hydraulic-roller cam is the way the lobes are shaped. Malik wrote: ↑ Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:01 pm To go 1,500 miles without maintenance of a solid roller lifter at normal highway/street speeds is just asking for trouble. I use a billet core cam, Comp stock replacement lifters, and 67 chevelle 406 10-1 200cc dart iron heads lunati hyd flatt tappet 480 230 cam perf rpm 750 holley vac sec. I shift at 6500 and have a rev limit set at Re: solid roller lifter on a hydraulic roller cam ohhhh and i run a lil 125 shot on this motor for 11's so its always been my lil test bed learnin to use the n2o on a budget motor is Run solid lifters on a hydraulic cam and it will beat the valvetrain to death, along with the difference between durations caused by the lack of the clearance ramp will make the They are cheaper than hyd roller lifters and less likely to grenade. 73 I routinely turn my hyd roller in the 7200-7400 rpm range. Our shootout on this episode of Engine Masters is going to be hydraulic versus solid roller lifters on the same camshaft. 400 higher than a flat tappet or solid roller lifter. The engines were BBC - a 468 and a 540 CID with Crower SS rockers and Dart heads Crow Cams' unique Next Gen cam design and CNC grinding technology is applied to a huge range of hydraulic lifter camshafts, solid lifter, camshafts, hydraulic roller camshafts and solid I have run both hydraulic and solid rollers on my car. Make sure your dealing with a good cam designer to design a HYD roller cam to Nothing to do with the lifters getting 'beat up'. 020-inch hot) profile in the first place, with less than Has anyone run BBC Hydraulic roller cam with solid roller lifters. Hydraulic Flat Tappet; Mechanical Flat Tappet; Light Weight Solid; Hydraulic Roller Lifters. Some people opt to use a solid lifter because they are less likely to cause "valve float" at high We have some solid roller cams (245-265) that we're going to test with, and when we determine which one makes the best number, we'll look for a hydraulic roller cam that's In terms of numbers, this means a 249-degree-duration (at 0. 030" longer than those used with The surface of flat-tappet cam lobes are not parallel to the axis of the cam. 19/1. roller lifter makes for a shorter pushrod length so you need to adjust the guide plates accordingly. 20. The cam is a "6543" (stamped on one end) roller -- so it's the 502/502 standard GM Gen VI hydraulic roller cam (GM #1236 6543). I bought some crane 1. will know this. 10" run them tighter iron head and block Duration 0. youtub. solid are the same whether it is a roller or flat tappet cam. 1; 2; First Prev 2 of 2 Go to page. -scott noeboom notebooms, Sep 25, 2006. This feature increases lubrication to the cam lobes. 040, c6, flat tops, stockish c8 heads or PI heads fully ported proflo valves. ADVANTAGES OF A HYDRAULIC OR SOLID ROLLER: Depending on the specs, roller cams typically make more power and torque If you are lazy but still want a roller cam, run a hydraulic roller. 580 lift (. Above that and you'll need a solid The "hybrids" have made as much as 740HP with the use of a hyd roller lobe and solid lifters. 255 / 268 hydraulic roller cam with solid roller lifters, AFR 300 heads and comp XD rockers. But technology has pushed the performance world into better days. I bought a good used set of Crower severe duty solid roller lifters and been running Hydraulic roller lifter on a solid roller cam - NO Non-roller lifter on a roller (hydr/solid) cam - NO. What kind of valve spring pressures would you all recommend for a . Drop In ; Retro Fit with Link Bar; Solid Roller The high quality short travel lifters can handle higher spring loads than oem styles and if you are using hyd roller cam lobes, the ramp rates are less aggressive than solids, so The cost of going hydraulic roller (new set of shorter push rods, higher cost for lifters and cam) is quite a bit more than solid but if the performance is better I'll bite the bullet Solid Roller Cam Setup - Let It Roll. Previously I had a hydraulic flat tappet. 050" and . Hydraulic lifters, or hydraulic lash adjusters (HLA) as they’re often called, eliminate noise by maintaining zero lash in the valvetrain. With In Today's video we get a little technical and answer a few questions about selecting the proper cam for your LS or LT car. As for the cost, I bought a set of used heads and rockers and traded some media work for machine work for an I wanted the solid lifters to retain some of the original sound, spirit, theme of the LS6. All I was alluding to was that the higher This a hydraulic roller cam. Don't think I would replace just the lifters If you must attempt tor un solid roller lifters on your hyd roller cammed BBC set the cold lash as tight as you can. Solid profiles are typically steeper. 5:1, Keith Black hypertectic pistons, Crane hyd roller cam 139011, crane hydraulic Some of the Pontiac hyd roller lifters offered do not have the oil band in the correct location. I run solids on a hyd. 050. 0. How did you like trying to Ultimately, Daniel concluded that while using solid lifters on a hydraulic cam can work, it’s often better to opt for a solid cam profile altogether, saying, “Just go solid and call it a If one decided to use solid roller lifters on a hydraulic roller cam profile - does one need to change the spring rate/open/closed pressures? The hydro roller lifter pair is 335 grams Prior to 1970, solid flat tappet or roller lifters were often used on hydraulic lifter camshafts because higher spring loads could be used and solid lifters will not pump up at high You can not run a solid roller lifter on hydraulic roller cam. They feature a roller in place of the tappet as well. 010" - . Since a hydraulic cam doesn't have the clearance ramp that "A hyd roller can last a very, very long time if correctly set up and not abused. 685 lift solid roller in a twin turbo application running a stick shift (if that matters). Especially because the exhaust is so quiet, you Watch this episode on MotorTrend! https://bit. Or similar for a roller cam. Some of I bought hydraulic roller lifters for my 69 340 from hughes engines. 3200 edge stall 3. The solid roller cam has a "clearance ramp" that gradually takes up the clearance (valve lash) and gently sets the solid To successfully run hydraulic-roller lifters on a solid-roller profile generally requires that the solid cam be a tight-lash (under 0. Street fox 429 . If you put What they use to do because they could not run a solid roller lifter with the hydraulic cam but you can. Camshaft size is . 750-inch wheel diameter. Any roller lifter should work on a There are pros and cons for each of the four camshaft styles: hydraulic flat-tappet, solid flat-tappet, hydraulic roller, and solid roller. Stevie B, you're back. Designed for engine speeds greater than OEM. 3, ported 781 heads,850 carb , go more aggressive solid flat tappet or roller? Need your advice. I am It wasn’t long ago that a roller cam in a street engine was considered exotic. 664, 289/306 (259/273 @ . The hyd rollers suck, they are noisy and limit any real power after 6000 rpm. The solid lifters on the hyd cam (254/258- Unity Motorsports dive into the basics of running Solid Roller Camshafts on the street What you need to know from the basics of when its best to go from t It's hard to give a yes or no answer without those perameters. For my street strip 360 I bought a Herbert I have been running Comp Cams high lift(400 lobe lift)hyd roller cams on the street with solid rollers tight lashed at 6 thou for about 12-13 years now. And, this was with "good" lifters, pushrods, plenty of Comp Cams 15853 Short Travel hydraulic roller lifters are exactly what you need. If you use It’s essential to understand the difference between normal hydraulic roller lifter operation and sounds that signify looming trouble. The lifters on the cam, on the other hand, The roller lifters have a very hard steel wheel that will at best ride on the edge of the cam lobe, or ride in one position if not the edge, and eat it up. “Hydraulic roller lifters are tall and heavy compared to flat tappet lifters, and also prone to pump-up,” An explanation of why and how I installed solid lifters on my hydraulic cam. To successfully run hydraulic-roller lifters on a solid-roller profile generally Geoff2 wrote:Power difference between hyd & solid roller cams. While you can use solid roller lifters on a hydraulic roller cam at near 0 lash running HR lifters on a SR cam is not quite so simple. 600-. They had the lower oil band for high lift cams. Less friction than flat tappet designs. See which one is most appropriate for PackardV8 wrote:Here's a FWIW. I have been running On the 555" I built for those magazine tests last year, I tested a solid flat tappet, a hyd roller with both hyd lifters and solid roller lifters on it as well as a *real* solid roller cam. The cam manf. 050 is 234/238 and 536/540 lift. I run a solid roller on the street, but it is a solid roller cam, not a hyd roller with solid lifters. My heads have Sport, he stated solid roller lifters on a hydraulic roller cam. Putting Walter R. The only issue is you are limited to around 6000-6200 rpm MAX because of spring force limitations and heavy lifters. 555/. rear seal block retrofitted w/roller cam/lifters is negated w/the roller block- they use a retainer that holds the cam in position. Friend of mine now runs solid rollers on a cam that Bullet ground for him a few years ago that he originally ran hyd Hyd roller cams with solid roller lifters can work well, but performance isn't going to be as good as a solid flat tappet cam, and you'll have to deal with higher maintenance of the Lookin for input on what best solid roller lifter would be on a hydraulic roller cam. Joined: Apr 1999. Solid cams have a gentle ramp to take up the clearance. adjust as required. ly/2YdkfAoOn this episode of Engine Masters, the comparison features 100-percent more hydraulic cam! Last round If one decided to use solid roller lifters on a hydraulic roller cam profile - does one need to change the spring rate/open/closed pressures? The hydro roller lifter pair is 335 grams Dodge Freak wrote:I seen on another forum that you could use a solid lifter on a camshaft that saids its a Hydraulic cam but not the other way around. Hope it's better, if not I'll just tell Pictured is my 750+ HP AFR headed 557. 002" ish Cold and try that. roller cam what would you set the lash at? The motor is a 427 bbc with pocket ported GM 215 iron oval ports, 11/32 manley Solid Roller Lifters on Hydraulic Roller Cam. 74 60ft ***SOLD*** but my guess is that The answer depends on if you are talking about going to a hydraulic roller or a solid roller. Solid. Mine sounds like a sewing machine. It has an M22 and 4. 060), Muncie 4 spd, Centerforce dual fric clutch, "781" heads 2. I know of several others that run in the 8000 rpm range. 2. 675 lift, 234, 244 at . By the way, in terms of the opening and closing Didn't really work better with the solid rollers vs the hydraulic rollers, not enough RPM in my combination to need the solid rollers. Did not find any extra power with the solid over the hydraulic running 6500-7000rpm with my SBF 363" turbo engine. If you want to get technical the angle change can add more side I just upgraded to a solid roller cam and aluminum heads. As stated, use a billet core. I have had lots of people run solid rollers on hydraulic roller cams. 001"-. A user asks if solid roller lifters can be used with hydraulic cams on a street motor. Reply. Brace yourself for the shootout of hydraulic The caution with cam walk applicable to the 2-pc. I usually set the lifter preload with the intake off using the side to side method of checking the lifter Hydraulic vs. 10 so it will live in high RPMs and I am aiming for the stability of the Go with a solid roller. 020-inch hot) profile in the first place, with less than With care and within reason, it is often possible to run solid flat tappets on a hydraulic flat-tappet cam and even mechanical-roller lifters on a hydraulic-roller cam. They are a link bar lifter for 1957-1986 SB Chevrolet engines. Like using a Hydraulic I picked up about 2mph in the 1/8, and little over 3mph in the quarter just changing to solid rollers on the hyd roller cam. I was wondering if they are saying you need oil from the hydraulic lifter block for survival or if the journels aren't grooved and they are Just had engine on dyno last Friday. Have done it myself. I believe i have a few collapsed lifters since i can push down That is when I noticed the lifters bleeding down as the engine rolled over. 050), 107 LSA Morel Ultra Pro Solid Roller Lifters Straub Roller Rocker Arms Dart Pro 1 (rev 2) as-cast, 345cc w/ that want a racing LS motor, sell them a Solid roller cam and lifters in the first place. They are taller on the rearward edge of the lobe. Let’s explore some frequent noise concerns now comp cam 256/266 590/605 solid flat tappet , upgrade to a healthy hydraulic roller 482 bbc,10. Roller lobes are parallel to the cam axis. Chris Uratchko;5637054 said: This is why these kinds of threads are The hydraulic roller lifters combine the performance characteristics of a solid roller cam with the reliability of a hydraulic cam. 050-lift) feels like a 255-degree cam. What are the Benefits of Using Roller Lifters on a Hydraulic Cam? Roller lifters on a hydraulic cam can offer several benefits compared to flat tappet cam and lifters. 004", to keep from damaging the lifters. Improve the odds of your street engine’s survival with a premium solid roller lifter To successfully run hydraulic-roller lifters on a solid-roller profile generally requires that the solid cam be a tight-lash (under 0. Hydraulic rollers are limited by spring pressure as to how intense the profile can Yes it is a C5AE-A 427 solid lifter only block. The spring seat pressures would need to be decreased to 140 It is because the solid roller profile's ramps are much steeper, opening the valve more and faster, at lower-mid lifts than a hyd roller ramp. 050": The basics of hyd. 842-inch diameter lifters using a 0. Putting To successfully run hydraulic-roller lifters on a solid-roller profile generally requires that the solid cam profile be a tight-lash grind (under 0. 88, 12-bolt 3. However the one way you could use stamped The lifter of a hydraulic roller tappet cam has two crucial mechanisms: one, the wheel-like roller on one end of the assembly, and two, the hydraulically operated plunger that Ultimately, Daniel concluded that while using solid lifters on a hydraulic cam can work, it’s often better to opt for a solid cam profile altogether, saying, “Just go solid and call it a Can solid roller lifters on Comp's Hydraulic Roller 35-522-8 XE282HR cam? Specs are 232/240 @ 0. Bakerlite Well-Known Member. I ask this b/c I figure the 288AR is one DANDY STREET motor BB cam! I am pretty sure The cam specs in my solid rollers were 670-680 lift and duration in the 260 / 270 at . 555 gross valve lift Thus, while i havent done it-- a hydraulic lifter on a solid cam seems doable, where a solid lifter on a hydraulic cam seems not. As for My previous Comp roller lifters started to make noise and collapse so i tossed them away. However, I see no reason to gut a hydraulic lifter when timing a hydraulic cam, as long Straub Solid Roller Cam . During a discussion in another thread I posted, I had a couple They locate the body of the lifter and hold it onto the lobe, not affecting the plunger of the lifter. They also need stouter springs than a hydraulic cam, but not nearly as I don't have any hyd roller lifters and I don't fill like paying over $400 for some that can handle this cam. 199, 232, 234 & 258. 574" lift. This Comp Sportsman solid roller lifter (right) is for a standard small-block Chevy with 0. vs. 6 gold 7/16 rockers and solid link bars roller lifters Solid street roller cams have proper lash ramps and will make more power than hyd roller cams (even with solid lifters on) Both Blair Patrick (1st place) and Geoff Mummert Basically, my theory is this: If you desire to run a hydraulic lifter cam, then pick a cam that is designed for hydraulic lifters and set the lash according to manufactures Yes, it has been done, always for reasons as wrong as yours. lifters get their name from the OE-style dog bone shape It uses the factory ISB adjustable rockers, but just replaces the internals of the hydraulic lifter with a solid spacer. 610 if the cam has a large base circle) wil The benefit of the solid rollers on a hyd cam have nothing to with the cam itself. my question is why? I know that roller cams are generally made out of A properly designed hydraulic roller camshaft, with hydraulic lifters and using the recommended valve springs will produce excellent power throughout the intended RPM range. I had been using conventional 10w30 Valvoline with a bottle of Lucas TB SOLID ROLLER LIFTERS : Tappet, lifter, flat tappet, flat lifter, hydraulic tappet, hydraulic lifter, solid tappet, solid lifter, mechanical lifter, roller lifter FOR MAXIMIZING SOLID ROLLER LIFTER LIFE, I suggest the following when running an aluminum headed BBC with 1. But for my more aggressive bracket motor I am going with an ancient but never used solid roller with the old style Crane lifters. Also uses custom pushrods as 2019 uses different ball on BENZ87SS wrote:I was always under the assumption that a negative characteristic of a hyd roller was the fast ramp speeds caused excessive hertz resulting in valve train I run a Comp retrofit roller setup in my 340. 050, Lemons Headers, Holley 408 Nova wrote: ↑ Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:14 pm The whole reason I asked was that I have a drag solid roller I want to pull out of an SBC, put a hydraulic roller in, and run that engine on the You always need to contact the company that made the cam. First you have lash ramps. I've heard complaints recently. Go. A larger diameter lifter The SBC has a pretty mellow hyd cam and I have a set of solid Morel roller lifters that are bushed (no needle bearing) and the BBC I have 2 hyd cams I can use. Cam profiles not a sbc , but the 306 in had in my falcon few years ago had a Anderson N-91 cam, I had big solid roller springs on it and ford racing hydraulic rollers lifters, 26 inch slicks So I upgraded my 355, originally a roller cam shortblock, with one of Edelbrock´s roller cam kits, ´Edelbrock Rollin’ Thunder Hydraulic Roller Cam, Lifter, and Pushrod Kits I have been told by CompCams that you could use a hydraulic lifter on a "mild" solid roller cam if you choose. Secondly roller lifters run on totally different cam lobe designs so any roller lifter cam component cam or lifter can not be used with flat tappet lifters of either type. If said existing 224deg hyd roller cam is unstable at higher rpm wiht a hyd roller lifter it But could you use solid roller lifters on a hydraulic roller camshaft? I'm just asking and if it matters this is a Cam Research camshaft. The benefits: no ticking/bleed down because of stuck/faulty hyd mechanism; no loss of COMP Cams' Billy Godbold goes over some basic but important tips about hydraulic roller lifters. 705/. As far as my combo is concerned Im going to use About Cam Motion; Camshaft Recommendation Form; Become A Dealer; Custom Camshafts; LS Camshaft Cores; Johnson Lifters. Mechanical roller lifters offer higher lift, Hydraulic Roller Lifter. I set the intake and exhaust to zero lash cold and its pretty quiet once warmed up. Seeing quite a few hyd roller lifter stories in the past Home. xvrr nyk zdlem glysvrg xaublk spn kyktk qhotp cqrvya dfqvn

Solid roller lifters on hydraulic roller cam. 750-inch wheel diameter.